by Lynn White
As promised,
we are delighted to spotlight Dr.Helen Boutrous, Chair of the History and Political Science Department at Mount
St. Mary’s College in Los Angeles, in the second part of our feature on the
Boutrous family. The Boutrous’ met while
attending the University of San Diego School of Law where they shared a mutual
passion for their administrative law course taught by Kenneth Culp Davis, a pioneer in the field. Dr. Boutrous teaches several classes related
to law and public policy and has particular interest in Presidential influence
on regulatory policy and the roles of federal, state and local governments in developing
public policy. Below she reflects on
practicing in a government agency and inspiring young women to pursue careers
in law.
1.What
led you to a career in law?
Through
high school I saw myself working in government on policy issues – but not
necessarily the law. In college I took a
class in which we did a moot court competition.
I was both thrilled and infuriated by the experience. I knew I wanted more.
2. What
first interested you in administrative law?
I
have always been fascinated by government process – the interplay of federal and
state power; the inter-branch struggles at the Federal level; and the extent to
which government can and does shape society.
It was a real honor during law school to take Administrative Law from
Kenneth Culp Davis – but my first academic inspiration in the field was my high
school government teacher – Mr. Bolton, Anaheim High School.
3. You
had the opportunity to work on regulations in a Federal agency. What was that process like? How was it different from what you learned in
law school?
I
am very grateful for my experience in the Federal Government. I had the opportunity to be part of the
regulatory drafting process and to defend federal regulations against
challenges from regulated industries.
Very quickly after law school, I was litigating before Administrative
Law Judges, leading proceedings against violators of Federal laws, and dealing
with regulated entities and individuals affected by regulation at public
hearings. Our Administrative Law class
was excellent, but nothing can quite prepare you for the dynamics of dealing
with the general public, agency policymakers, and OIRA, all at the same time.
4. What
prompted you to transition to studying political science and ultimately
teaching? How do you feel your work as
an administrative law practitioner complements your current role?
While
still working as a government lawyer, I took a Legislative Process class at
Georgetown University. I was hoping to
gain enhanced insight into Congress after some interesting experiences with
Congressional Staff. As has been the
case throughout my education, I was enthralled by the study of government
process. I took another class, and
another, and ultimately decided to stop practicing and pursue my PhD in the
Government Department at Georgetown University.
After completing my PhD and moving to California, I was hired as a
professor in the History and Political Science Department at Mount St. Mary’s
College in Los Angeles. I feel my
experience as a practitioner adds greatly to what I can offer my students. “War stories” are a great way to bring legal
concepts to life, and I would bet that few undergraduates are as steeped in the
regulatory review process as mine are!
5. You
are the pre-law director at Mount St. Mary’s College, and initiated a mock
trial and moot court program. Why do you
feel those programs are important? How
have students benefited?
We
have a vibrant pre-law minor at Mount St. Mary’s, a Catholic college primarily for women. Requirements of
the program include Legal Reasoning, Constitutional Law and Individual
Rights. When I arrived at Mount St.
Mary’s, there had never been a Mock Trial or Moot Court team. When I suggested it to my students, they
jumped at the idea. We have been
competing in Mock Trial since 2004 and in Moot Court since 2009. Our students have won individual awards and
we have made it to national competition in moot court. I think the program is an invaluable way for
students to discover a passion for the law; prepare them for the rigors of law
school; and experience the rewards of competition. I see my students do better work across
courses after having been part of these competitions. My students are being accepted into excellent
law schools, and I think the pre-law program and team competition has been a
factor.
6. What
do you think are the biggest challenges facing administrative law
practitioners?
When
I was practicing for the government, a supervising attorney told me: “remember, they can never out number
us.” I think it must be daunting for
private attorneys to take on the government.
Government attorneys practicing administrative law, on the other hand,
have many masters: the hierarchy within the agency; the President in the form
of OIRA; the general public during notice and comment and public hearings;
Congress through statutory delegations and oversight; and the courts through
judicial review. Reaching the optimal
outcome is a difficult balancing act of varied interests.
7. For
undergraduates, law students or new attorneys considering a career in
administrative law, what do you think would be a good way of familiarizing
themselves with the field?
First,
I highly recommend practicing law in the government. A young lawyer can gain significant
experience very quickly. To be a good
administrative law practitioner, one must understand government process both in
theory and practice. Therefore, taking
courses that delve into government structure and process is very important, as
is keeping abreast of political and policy debates. To get a taste of the administrative world,
keep up with regulations at regulation.gov and, as the site says, “help improve
federal regulations by submitting your comments.” And, of course, by following Notice and Comment!
8. Mr.
Boutrous noted that you bonded over a similar passion for an administrative law
class. For our readers who are
romantics, could you elaborate on that?
Romantic
administrative law practitioners – our kind of people! Yes, we did bond over a shared fascination
with the arbitrary and capricious standard, and legislative vs. adjudicative
facts, but it also may have been the long dinner dates after class. In any event,
we started as law review colleagues and classmates, and are still debating legal
standards after 25 years of happy marriage.